Doug The Great - Something to Talk About

Doug Hunt aka Doug The Great

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Something to Talk About | Podcast with a Cause | Brantford Podcaster

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Doug Hunt aka Doug The Great (recorded in Brantford, ON)

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January 15, 2019 | Podcasting Live to Air from Brantford on BRAAGLE

Podcast Interview Transcript

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welcome to something to talk about I

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have the great pleasure to have Doug the

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great now this is being recorded live to

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air in a basement in Brantford Ontario

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and it’s an old house and the basements

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not necessarily tell us I don’t know how

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you got in here with stilts and more

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importantly you’re also a juggler so I

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have no clue how the heck you’re gonna

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juggle in this confined space but

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welcome Doug well thank you I’m also a

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magician so it’s all an illusion oh

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thank you Robert thank you the

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opportunity you know everything we do is

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in illusion cases isn’t it so today

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we’re actually going to be doing a

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little bit of a chat about Doug the

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Great and some of the stories that Doug

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has and I’ve been fortunate to hear a

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few of them over the years but this is

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all going to raise awareness to the

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participation support services which is

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funded through the Hamilton yaga yaga

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Haldimand Brant local health integration

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Network which is a big big word which is

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the H n HB l h i n who came up with us

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oh my lord

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in any case tell me first of all a bit

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about participation support services

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well I can tell you a lot because I

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started it started there when it first

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opened so back in 1978 it was I guess

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there’s parents in town that had young

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children with cerebral palsy and their

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concern is what’s going to happen to

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them later on in life where would they

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live because at that time and we’re

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going back to the 60s a lot of children

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would go to large institutions and so a

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group came about called the The Parent

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Council the CP Parent Council cerebral

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palsy Parent Council they’re a member of

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the Ontario Federation for cerebral

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palsy and around that time the Clarence

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Meyers who was the executive director of

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ofc P Ontario Federation he had a son

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with cerebral palsy and he developed

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this idea called a participation house

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and so the very first one was in the

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Markham and I believe that was probably

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in the late 60s that that came about and

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so that was a pilot project and then

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these smaller groups picked up on that

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and thought that would be great to have

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a more of a home

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at home in the area and so that’s sort

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of how it got started in fact when I was

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in the Community College at Conestoga

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College I was taking recreational

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leadership I heard about the

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participation house idea and was able to

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get a placement at the Markham pH we

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called him back there and that’s where I

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sort of got interested in our

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organization and got in at the ground

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floor in fact I was so interested and

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enthused about maybe working in as a

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career I worked on construction for a

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while helping to build participation

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house in Brantford and so if we ever

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went for a tour I could show you some

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mistakes I made but anyways that’s how

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he got started and I’ve been there for

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40 years had many different jobs there

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today I’m the director of fundraising

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marketing and volunteer services how

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appropriate is that that you’re here

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talking about that given your current

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role isn’t it yes yeah you recently did

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some rebranding there as well is the

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overall goal of the future changing at

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all to go with that rebranding well yeah

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well it happened our executive director

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Sherrie kurz been with us for almost ten

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years has really made a lot of changes

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really positive changes for the

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organization and found some gaps in the

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community and so we’ve grown in ten

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years not only being a home in

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organization supporting adults with

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cerebral palsy but now we have

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transitional care we have different

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disabilities we have outreach we we have

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an apartments so a lot of things that we

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even have we’re supporting seniors

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because the kind of staff frontline

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staff we have can cater to those needs

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and what Sherri found there was some

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lacking in the community for instance as

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we know at our Hospital sometime it can

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be overflowing and part of the problem

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is people don’t really need to be there

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but where do they go and so that’s with

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that I get I guess we involved into more

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of a service organization as well as a

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home and thus changing the name they’re

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more reflect of the kind of service that

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we provide today so it’s obviously still

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rooted in the core goal at the beginning

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but you know you’re diversifying based

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on need which is well that’s just good

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business well exactly and I’ve been

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there for 40 years I believe or not we

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have a few of our residents who have

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been there since I started as well you

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know it’s the best place for I guess

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best place for me to but that’s it it

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meets a need and I’m not sure where else

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these guys could go it’s a it’s a home

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in a truth it’s like a family there

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mm-hmm and so if they some of our guys

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if they remove out into the Rome

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apartment it may be a tough situation

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being alone so it’s like being away from

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your family especially you have if you

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have cerebral palsy so you know anybody

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is invited to come and see the place and

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tour the place and see some of our other

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establishments and then what we do and

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that gives you a better idea

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you know we a lot of people have me come

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and talk to their groups in that and I

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get away from talking about the bricks

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and mortar but talking about individuals

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where they’ve been where they’re now

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where they are now and where they’re

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going and that’s what we’re all about is

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opportunities I think the greatest

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weakness with some individuals is not

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being physically challenged but being

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environmentally challenged and not

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having opportunity so when I was younger

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when they were younger they were put in

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the institutions and people thought

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taking them away from the community and

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providing everything in this institution

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was the the best way but what you’re

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really doing is taking them from a

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normal lifestyle and setting them up on

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like a conveyor belt where as you get up

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at this time you toilet at this time you

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eat at this time and you go to bed at

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this time and if you go anywhere you go

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where the institution decided you’re

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going and a big bus and so all the

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decision-making was taken away so I

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found when I first started working at

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and then what’s called participation I

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was the biggest disability wasn’t having

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being physically challenged it was being

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environmentally challenged not having

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the opportunity to make your own

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decisions so I tell people when they

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decide when we’ve had me people move out

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into an apartments or back to where

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they’re originally from we know we’ve

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done the right thing when they decide

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that and we didn’t decide that

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if they’re making their own decisions

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then we must be doing something right

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where we’ve empowered them to be

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themselves and to take their own

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responsibility and go on in life so

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that’s what we’re all about so if

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everybody’s different and like I said

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some people are still there and we’ve

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had people over the years move out and

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and have their own apartments and more a

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normal lifestyle live in the community

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yeah I wanted one of the things that

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comes up a lot when I talk to people

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during the day is the short game versus

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the long game and in some of these cases

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it’s truly a long game to get them from

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point A to point you know where they are

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now and brain I think as you say in the

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old system it’s so much easier to just

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regiment ties it and put it on a

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schedule and operate it like a factory

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and it’s done but there’s no real rehab

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Atilla Tatum I can’t say the word

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properly but thank you so yeah and I

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found people like to push this being

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involved in the community making the

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community accessible and and you know we

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had a bank it was a Royal Bank just on

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down at the end of Mount Pleasant on

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Colborne Street there it’s where Tim

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Hortons is now and people are upset

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because I had such a hard time getting

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some of our residents through the double

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doors and then the counter was high and

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I remember someone saying you should

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write a letter to the editor and say

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that’s not called for union leaders

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people who are fizzy and and why I found

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you know the best thing and I learnt

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this from a placement in blur View

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Children’s Center in Toronto was just

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exists just go see people how you’re

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challenged to do what everybody else

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does because people don’t realize and

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when they see that you’re you’re having

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some problems getting in or being

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challenged and what you’re needing to do

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human nature is let’s help you and so

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what happened is the bank saw that we

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were struggling getting in and they

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trying to go around the counter to talk

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to the teller they made the changes

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themselves so instead of writing a nasty

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letter the editor I turned out I went to

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got a plaque made up and presented them

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say thank you very much for supporting

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it so I think you know it’s not just

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opportunity for our residents its

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opportunity for the community and we we

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learn and grow together so the

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like for instance the wind Gretzky

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Sports Center I used to take some of our

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residents to the the pool there the

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Aquatic Center at the time and they only

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had and I think it’s still there though

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this is before the new pools yeah yeah

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they only had like a little area like a

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jacuzzi bath area for and then they even

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had a line there and we were staying on

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the one side and then they had a special

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events person or a special needs person

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there for us and I said well we have one

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of our residents that competes and we

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need to get one of the lanes so they

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then they gave us one lane to practicing

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well after doing that a couple of years

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and not complaining but just going and

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doing the best we can they themselves

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decided well this is silly why can’t

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they come just on family night and

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that’s what happened but again you know

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I’ve learned over the the best way to to

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make friends and be part of the

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community is and exist in the community

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and let people see for themselves and

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they get to know our residents and the

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more you get to know someone who’s

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challenged the more you get to know them

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as a person and that’s I think the great

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thing about our organization is it’s

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giving everybody an opportunity which we

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shouldn’t take for granted well one of

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the previous podcasts that we talked

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about was the social business hangout

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and the tenant there was social business

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and a lot of what we talked about there

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is how you integrate what you do as a

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business with the people in the business

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with the community extended those cycles

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right like you mentioned Jerry she’s a

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Rotarian if I’m not mistaken right past

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president exactly and she also does the

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air show I believe chairperson of the

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air show yeah you know so these are

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names in the community that are

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constantly giving you know and it’s the

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up to I believe the the community and

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the other business is to kind of step up

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their game as well so we talked a bit

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obviously about what you do day to day

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and I know based on talking to you and

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to some of your friends it’s part of who

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you are you know it doesn’t it’s not a

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nine-to-five job you go and you know

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you’re going at other hospitals you know

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I was a fun troop you know like that

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you’re constantly in that space yeah and

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you know we just talked briefly when I I

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came over is you didn’t realize I had a

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sister down soon

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and Valerie was probably the reason for

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my career in many ways and even in

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getting into magic and different things

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I was a youngest of three sons my

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parents came from Birmingham England my

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dad was actually the first golf pro at

0:11:21.529,0:11:28.040
Northridge really and so and then we had

0:11:25.069,0:11:31.459
Valerie I was born with Down syndrome I

0:11:28.040,0:11:33.410
think I was six at the time and because

0:11:31.459,0:11:38.779
of that because of both my parents had

0:11:33.410,0:11:40.339
to work I I didn’t get to go and get go

0:11:38.779,0:11:42.920
to dances at high school and different

0:11:40.339,0:11:44.870
things I was the one that needed it so

0:11:42.920,0:11:46.459
Lisa youngest stick with my sister and

0:11:44.870,0:11:48.139
keep an eye out and I was kind of

0:11:46.459,0:11:49.670
jealous out of her at one point because

0:11:48.139,0:11:52.490
it was keeping me away from different

0:11:49.670,0:11:55.490
things it’s probably as you get older –

0:11:52.490,0:11:58.160
yes but it was the best thing that

0:11:55.490,0:12:00.980
happened to me because through her I

0:11:58.160,0:12:04.910
became a volunteer and training with a

0:12:00.980,0:12:06.920
Parks Board because my dad wanted rather

0:12:04.910,0:12:10.160
my mom wanted Valerie to be in the

0:12:06.920,0:12:12.769
community and doing things and so we got

0:12:10.160,0:12:14.180
her into a day camp at Mohawk Park but

0:12:12.769,0:12:16.309
they wouldn’t let her go alone and my

0:12:14.180,0:12:18.649
dad had retired from golf but he was

0:12:16.309,0:12:21.110
working for the parks board was like his

0:12:18.649,0:12:22.879
later years a superintendent at mohawk

0:12:21.110,0:12:24.889
Park and so he knew about this day camp

0:12:22.879,0:12:26.930
and so I would drive up with him and my

0:12:24.889,0:12:29.089
sister cuz mom didn’t want sis to be

0:12:26.930,0:12:33.800
alone so big brother had to go with her

0:12:29.089,0:12:36.860
and that’s was through her that I

0:12:33.800,0:12:40.399
because of that I eventually became a

0:12:36.860,0:12:42.740
camp leader and then a camp director in

0:12:40.399,0:12:45.709
fact I met my wife there cuz she worked

0:12:42.740,0:12:48.800
there as well in fact I hired her my

0:12:45.709,0:12:52.220
wife Katie and at that point in my life

0:12:48.800,0:12:54.139
I was her boss and now she’s yeah and we

0:12:52.220,0:12:58.040
got married met yeah and but it was

0:12:54.139,0:13:01.279
through Valerie that led me into into

0:12:58.040,0:13:03.529
magic because we needed things to do a

0:13:01.279,0:13:06.170
day camp and so I started doing little

0:13:03.529,0:13:07.610
tricks here and there that I was in so

0:13:06.170,0:13:10.550
there’s another story behind that but

0:13:07.610,0:13:14.449
that’s how I threw Valerie it led me

0:13:10.550,0:13:16.130
into a career in work a therapeutic

0:13:14.449,0:13:18.490
recreation and career in working with

0:13:16.130,0:13:20.870
special needs so I owe all to Valerie

0:13:18.490,0:13:24.320
the magic part has a lot

0:13:20.870,0:13:28.370
two of my dad because I was so shy as a

0:13:24.320,0:13:29.960
young boy I I didn’t speak at all I was

0:13:28.370,0:13:33.230
just two and my dad couldn’t figure it

0:13:29.960,0:13:35.630
out become you know being a Brummie from

0:13:33.230,0:13:37.700
Birmingham and he was so helpful is that

0:13:35.630,0:13:40.279
what you call Brummie see okay from

0:13:37.700,0:13:41.960
Birmingham he was so outgoing and lets

0:13:40.279,0:13:44.720
order my two older brothers he couldn’t

0:13:41.960,0:13:46.700
figure me out but being a caddy in

0:13:44.720,0:13:49.339
England that’s how he became a golf pro

0:13:46.700,0:13:51.680
he learned that he had a big family and

0:13:49.339,0:13:54.230
so they all had to not finish school but

0:13:51.680,0:13:56.870
caddy next door there was a golf course

0:13:54.230,0:13:58.490
and as well as caddying they all learned

0:13:56.870,0:13:59.900
how to juggle golf balls for something

0:13:58.490,0:14:01.279
to do they were bored and he’d throw him

0:13:59.900,0:14:03.560
and see how many you could get going so

0:14:01.279,0:14:05.060
he taught me how to juggle we lived out

0:14:03.560,0:14:06.230
near Glen Morris and we always had pear

0:14:05.060,0:14:08.510
trees and apples he taught me how to

0:14:06.230,0:14:12.920
juggle and to build up some confidence

0:14:08.510,0:14:15.620
so that’s how I got started in that kind

0:14:12.920,0:14:17.510
of magic and entertainment and later on

0:14:15.620,0:14:19.250
in life still walking in so well I know

0:14:17.510,0:14:21.410
now I know why you went to still walking

0:14:19.250,0:14:24.110
and we’ll get to that but just to cover

0:14:21.410,0:14:25.760
the magic so it started with magic well

0:14:24.110,0:14:29.450
actually start with juggling it started

0:14:25.760,0:14:31.850
with juggling okay and then and then I

0:14:29.450,0:14:34.880
was a member of the Wolf Cubs and we had

0:14:31.850,0:14:39.170
a talent night what’s that so was i over

0:14:34.880,0:14:42.350
a great and my dad got me a library book

0:14:39.170,0:14:43.850
on a couple of tricks and found there

0:14:42.350,0:14:45.440
was the thing called an egg bag that I

0:14:43.850,0:14:47.390
used today and make an egg disappear and

0:14:45.440,0:14:49.550
my mom made that so my very first trick

0:14:47.390,0:14:52.400
was doing this making an egg disappear

0:14:49.550,0:14:54.050
in a bag and and I loved that so much I

0:14:52.400,0:14:56.930
almost got into ventriloquism and some

0:14:54.050,0:15:00.589
other things but yeah did you ever

0:14:56.930,0:15:04.459
actually try the the ventricle I tried

0:15:00.589,0:15:07.730
but I got bored with my yeah it was it’s

0:15:04.459,0:15:09.470
a tough one and but I love the idea of

0:15:07.730,0:15:10.970
these wooden figures and looking how

0:15:09.470,0:15:13.730
they were constructed and things but

0:15:10.970,0:15:15.260
most magicians believe it or not we’re

0:15:13.730,0:15:17.839
interested in that I find a lot of my

0:15:15.260,0:15:19.190
friends all have an interest in that one

0:15:17.839,0:15:24.350
guy that’s really good in the area is

0:15:19.190,0:15:26.900
Barry Barry Oh in in Paris he’s very

0:15:24.350,0:15:28.310
he’s a very good ventriloquist I may

0:15:26.900,0:15:31.640
have to actually reach out to him and

0:15:28.310,0:15:33.740
get him on this oh yeah he’s good he

0:15:31.640,0:15:34.760
could have his dummy talk to that’s what

0:15:33.740,0:15:36.830
I’m thinking I think that would be

0:15:34.760,0:15:39.050
hilarious just just to have the mic on

0:15:36.830,0:15:39.590
the dummy and not even mic him but you

0:15:39.050,0:15:42.470
know what I mean

0:15:39.590,0:15:45.380
yeah the okay so so the juggling I get

0:15:42.470,0:15:47.030
the magician obviously you know as you

0:15:45.380,0:15:49.430
say it was a means of communication for

0:15:47.030,0:15:52.490
you yeah but I’m sure you know that

0:15:49.430,0:15:54.050
there was the unknown and the making it

0:15:52.490,0:15:54.980
happen because I know some of the tricks

0:15:54.050,0:15:59.210
that you do it

0:15:54.980,0:16:01.700
balls a lot of practice yeah you know

0:15:59.210,0:16:04.610
because it was still shy at the time I

0:16:01.700,0:16:06.590
became a bit of a mime hmm because that

0:16:04.610,0:16:08.780
you don’t talk mm-hmm right and it

0:16:06.590,0:16:10.850
helped me express and talking with my

0:16:08.780,0:16:12.350
parents in the motion I remember at

0:16:10.850,0:16:13.940
Linda Park mall walking around a little

0:16:12.350,0:16:17.120
white-faced doing a few balloon animals

0:16:13.940,0:16:21.590
in different places and then I grew out

0:16:17.120,0:16:22.070
of that but yeah yeah so magic there’s

0:16:21.590,0:16:24.470
no end

0:16:22.070,0:16:26.750
you can never in juggling to you you’re

0:16:24.470,0:16:29.000
never there I had a friend once some

0:16:26.750,0:16:30.710
know a guy we used to have a clown

0:16:29.000,0:16:33.560
conference in Brantford the spring clown

0:16:30.710,0:16:35.060
conference a guy by Leon buttons McBride

0:16:33.560,0:16:38.570
told me this he was with Ringling

0:16:35.060,0:16:40.670
Brothers a famous clown and he said

0:16:38.570,0:16:44.060
always be like a plant and be green

0:16:40.670,0:16:46.340
because you know when plants become

0:16:44.060,0:16:49.250
right and when you think you’re there

0:16:46.340,0:16:52.250
that’s when you start to rot so I I

0:16:49.250,0:16:54.770
remember that so he was saying kiss I

0:16:52.250,0:16:56.330
never felt I was there you know and he

0:16:54.770,0:16:57.920
says that’s a good thing you got to keep

0:16:56.330,0:17:00.380
working and keep practicing and you’ll

0:16:57.920,0:17:02.180
you’ll find where your your your

0:17:00.380,0:17:03.710
capabilities are and you keep working at

0:17:02.180,0:17:05.120
them and that’s the fun of it all isn’t

0:17:03.710,0:17:06.350
it you know I was saying that same thing

0:17:05.120,0:17:08.570
to Randy when we were talking about the

0:17:06.350,0:17:10.480
podcasting I still mess up and you’re

0:17:08.570,0:17:13.270
like you know 300 of these things right

0:17:10.480,0:17:15.260
it’s just a constant constant you know

0:17:13.270,0:17:17.660
improvement and bettering and better

0:17:15.260,0:17:19.610
gear and whatnot I want you to share the

0:17:17.660,0:17:22.280
story of there was a magic trick you

0:17:19.610,0:17:24.230
learned to do and you met your idol I

0:17:22.280,0:17:26.089
believe the story was that you saw this

0:17:24.230,0:17:28.640
magic trick on TV you learned how to do

0:17:26.089,0:17:30.650
it oh no and then he told you the truth

0:17:28.640,0:17:34.490
right I know the one I’m talking about

0:17:30.650,0:17:36.530
yes yes the actually I do a talk to

0:17:34.490,0:17:39.110
cruise great ten and mainly high schools

0:17:36.530,0:17:42.490
in the area and the talk is about

0:17:39.110,0:17:46.370
failing forward and so it’s about

0:17:42.490,0:17:48.440
attitude and not giving up and not

0:17:46.370,0:17:48.780
counting yourself out and the idea was I

0:17:48.440,0:17:50.640
remember

0:17:48.780,0:17:52.290
watching The Ed Sullivan Show now I have

0:17:50.640,0:17:54.150
to explain even to the teachers today

0:17:52.290,0:17:55.770
don’t know who had Sullivan is it’s a

0:17:54.150,0:17:57.300
theater isn’t it yeah David Letterman

0:17:55.770,0:18:00.360
who’s now retired and it’s Colbert’s

0:17:57.300,0:18:04.350
plays right yeah yes it is and he was a

0:18:00.360,0:18:07.110
terrific producer director and the he

0:18:04.350,0:18:08.790
was well that’s where he was very

0:18:07.110,0:18:10.830
talented because you were either famous

0:18:08.790,0:18:12.780
where you’re on his show or you would be

0:18:10.830,0:18:16.560
famous he’s like America’s Got Talent at

0:18:12.780,0:18:18.360
the time and you know if you hadn’t

0:18:16.560,0:18:22.230
heard of Ed Sullivan people have heard

0:18:18.360,0:18:24.000
of Elvis Presley was there in 57 a year

0:18:22.230,0:18:25.470
after I was born singing I’m nothing but

0:18:24.000,0:18:27.330
a hound dog and so the rest is history

0:18:25.470,0:18:28.980
there and the Beatles who just had their

0:18:27.330,0:18:31.470
fiftieth anniversary a couple of years

0:18:28.980,0:18:33.510
back of the Ed Sullivan Show started

0:18:31.470,0:18:37.020
their North American tour on that show

0:18:33.510,0:18:39.060
and so you know who Ed Sullivan is the

0:18:37.020,0:18:41.490
kind of groups he had but he had another

0:18:39.060,0:18:44.700
individual on from Switzerland named

0:18:41.490,0:18:47.250
Pavel and Pavel did what they did called

0:18:44.700,0:18:49.260
back then Micro magic and I’d never seen

0:18:47.250,0:18:50.760
as a young child watching it and I used

0:18:49.260,0:18:52.770
to plead when my parents let me stay up

0:18:50.760,0:18:53.880
to watch it was on Sunday nights it was

0:18:52.770,0:18:56.220
a school night right

0:18:53.880,0:18:58.550
but the oh he always had variety acts

0:18:56.220,0:19:02.220
like juggling or ventriloquism

0:18:58.550,0:19:03.630
marionette and circus arts as well as

0:19:02.220,0:19:05.970
the singing there was still a vaudeville

0:19:03.630,0:19:09.000
a flair even at that era right all the

0:19:05.970,0:19:10.770
great comedians but anyways that one

0:19:09.000,0:19:12.540
night he was on and I was so impressed

0:19:10.770,0:19:14.370
with him I’d never seen I’ve seen like

0:19:12.540,0:19:16.110
the big box magic the illusion magic

0:19:14.370,0:19:17.550
where they cut a girl in half and things

0:19:16.110,0:19:19.680
and you know it’s sort of like a puzzle

0:19:17.550,0:19:21.510
but this stuff and they didn’t have

0:19:19.680,0:19:22.830
camera tricks back then he was doing it

0:19:21.510,0:19:24.630
right in front of the camera of people

0:19:22.830,0:19:28.320
watching and I couldn’t believe it and I

0:19:24.630,0:19:30.150
was so impressed I I wanted to be just

0:19:28.320,0:19:31.530
like him and dad says well watch one of

0:19:30.150,0:19:33.210
his tricks and maybe you’ll be able to

0:19:31.530,0:19:35.040
pick it up there was no YouTube back

0:19:33.210,0:19:38.130
there to watch yeah oh yeah that the

0:19:35.040,0:19:39.690
kids they went you YouTube it you had to

0:19:38.130,0:19:41.400
physically you know we only had four

0:19:39.690,0:19:43.320
channels he had to physically get up and

0:19:41.400,0:19:45.330
turn the channel and we had an antenna

0:19:43.320,0:19:47.100
outside and my my that’s how I got into

0:19:45.330,0:19:49.470
maybe doing stunts my brothers used to

0:19:47.100,0:19:51.390
me climb up this 40-foot Tower to try to

0:19:49.470,0:19:54.860
get the Tanna just right in a storm

0:19:51.390,0:19:58.950
outside but anyways I digress but so

0:19:54.860,0:20:00.840
when I saw that I started working on one

0:19:58.950,0:20:04.889
of the tricks to tie a knot one hand

0:20:00.840,0:20:06.360
and I failed so many times I if I throw

0:20:04.889,0:20:08.039
it away and walk the other way not be

0:20:06.360,0:20:09.629
failing now you say failing forward if

0:20:08.039,0:20:12.210
you keep trying because you’re never a

0:20:09.629,0:20:13.860
failure if you keep trying doesn’t

0:20:12.210,0:20:16.559
matter how long it takes that’s all to

0:20:13.860,0:20:18.509
do of attitude you know Edison said our

0:20:16.559,0:20:20.159
greatest weakness lies in giving up the

0:20:18.509,0:20:22.080
most certain way to achieve is try one

0:20:20.159,0:20:23.159
more time so my whole life is trying one

0:20:22.080,0:20:25.320
more time that’s what I tell the

0:20:23.159,0:20:27.120
students and I finally came up with a

0:20:25.320,0:20:29.879
solution to the problem how to tie a

0:20:27.120,0:20:31.200
knot by manipulating it and I was so

0:20:29.879,0:20:33.899
thrilled with myself

0:20:31.200,0:20:35.970
it sure was the beginning of my magic

0:20:33.899,0:20:38.700
career cuz I could do this and it was a

0:20:35.970,0:20:39.990
self-taught trick – yeah yeah no I

0:20:38.700,0:20:43.409
didn’t its own right I thought that’s

0:20:39.990,0:20:45.149
all the way you did it and so then went

0:20:43.409,0:20:47.249
back to the library got books and then I

0:20:45.149,0:20:48.899
discovered a club in Hamilton there’s

0:20:47.249,0:20:50.549
clubs for everything and it’s called the

0:20:48.899,0:20:52.799
Hamilton magic wand club if anybody

0:20:50.549,0:20:55.529
heard of Doug Henning and great magician

0:20:52.799,0:20:57.269
when I was a young guy he lived in the

0:20:55.529,0:20:58.830
Ancaster area he was a member of that

0:20:57.269,0:21:00.779
Club so now we called the Doug Henning

0:20:58.830,0:21:02.450
magic wand Club ring 49 of the

0:21:00.779,0:21:04.529
International Brotherhood of magicians

0:21:02.450,0:21:06.230
international organization started in

0:21:04.529,0:21:09.629
Edmonton Canada believe it or not

0:21:06.230,0:21:12.389
anyways I’m uh I was a member at the

0:21:09.629,0:21:14.820
time and I heard Pavel was coming to

0:21:12.389,0:21:18.629
Canada he was on tour he’s a master

0:21:14.820,0:21:20.159
magician he was teaching now in selling

0:21:18.629,0:21:21.570
books and whatnot he was too old to

0:21:20.159,0:21:23.970
actually perform he must have been in

0:21:21.570,0:21:26.220
his 80s now oh I have to go see him so I

0:21:23.970,0:21:28.649
made sure I was there at this Toronto

0:21:26.220,0:21:31.320
Club another Club and I met him before

0:21:28.649,0:21:33.389
his lecture this is mr. Pavel I saw on

0:21:31.320,0:21:34.799
The Ed Sullivan Show back in the 60s you

0:21:33.389,0:21:36.269
were terrific you were doing this micro

0:21:34.799,0:21:38.460
magic I know we call it close-up magic

0:21:36.269,0:21:40.679
and you’re doing these incredible things

0:21:38.460,0:21:43.799
with rope like I’ve never seen before in

0:21:40.679,0:21:45.240
coins and cards in fact I got my magic

0:21:43.799,0:21:47.429
started because he and that’s why I’m

0:21:45.240,0:21:49.110
with the magic wand club and I’m doing

0:21:47.429,0:21:50.669
shows now and it was because of why he

0:21:49.110,0:21:53.429
was so thrilled with that he was taken

0:21:50.669,0:21:56.190
aback he says my god you know what after

0:21:53.429,0:21:57.809
my lecture I want you to come over we’re

0:21:56.190,0:22:00.240
going out with the boys I’m gonna treat

0:21:57.809,0:22:04.200
ya so I got a free meal and the grade 10

0:22:00.240,0:22:07.619
boys love that and I showed him that the

0:22:04.200,0:22:09.090
trick that he did on TV and he almost

0:22:07.619,0:22:10.740
fan he says what the heck you doing

0:22:09.090,0:22:12.210
there I says well that’s your trick

0:22:10.740,0:22:13.610
isn’t it he says you really used in the

0:22:12.210,0:22:16.370
real rope

0:22:13.610,0:22:18.680
I says well didn’t you know I used a

0:22:16.370,0:22:19.490
trick rope you want by 1 999 knot oh my

0:22:18.680,0:22:22.040
god

0:22:19.490,0:22:23.510
I wasted 3 my years of my life trying to

0:22:22.040,0:22:25.220
figure this out and I could have just

0:22:23.510,0:22:27.470
bought the rope he’s done all that’s

0:22:25.220,0:22:29.960
great and then so that’s part of my talk

0:22:27.470,0:22:31.310
about now to the students I tell him at

0:22:29.960,0:22:32.990
the end that why did I show and then I

0:22:31.310,0:22:36.050
go on to do a bunch of other trick rope

0:22:32.990,0:22:37.940
things but I tell him I know to you

0:22:36.050,0:22:40.220
that’s a silly little knot that I just

0:22:37.940,0:22:41.720
tied with one hand but to me it was a

0:22:40.220,0:22:45.140
life-changing experience

0:22:41.720,0:22:47.000
it sort of taught me if I hadn’t figured

0:22:45.140,0:22:50.390
that knot out I may not have been a

0:22:47.000,0:22:51.800
magician today and so all I’m saying is

0:22:50.390,0:22:53.210
don’t count yourself out because the

0:22:51.800,0:22:55.850
trouble young people today that I’m

0:22:53.210,0:22:58.400
afraid of his beef they count themselves

0:22:55.850,0:22:59.840
out before they even attempt so in that

0:22:58.400,0:23:04.040
yeah that has to a lot to do with

0:22:59.840,0:23:07.070
confidence and attitude and so you know

0:23:04.040,0:23:08.840
failing is a failure is just a process

0:23:07.070,0:23:10.820
failing you it doesn’t have to be the

0:23:08.840,0:23:13.100
end result so you can learn from that

0:23:10.820,0:23:15.110
and then also there’s so many other

0:23:13.100,0:23:17.060
things you can learn on how to succeed

0:23:15.110,0:23:18.680
because sometimes you can’t do it on

0:23:17.060,0:23:20.240
your own then I tell them that’s why you

0:23:18.680,0:23:22.070
need your teacher and the harder you

0:23:20.240,0:23:24.140
work the harder he works he’s just there

0:23:22.070,0:23:26.750
for your benefit and so I over the years

0:23:24.140,0:23:29.810
learned to surround myself of experts

0:23:26.750,0:23:31.460
now part of that talk is about a world

0:23:29.810,0:23:33.560
record I know you’re gonna ask me about

0:23:31.460,0:23:35.770
that yeah can I just go radio radio

0:23:33.560,0:23:38.120
right because that’s part of my talk

0:23:35.770,0:23:39.920
when I hurt my knee and we can talk

0:23:38.120,0:23:43.520
about that later

0:23:39.920,0:23:45.470
it was my physiotherapist Tom Rollins

0:23:43.520,0:23:47.120
Dee and I decided let’s go after will

0:23:45.470,0:23:48.680
right yes yeah how did you hurt your

0:23:47.120,0:23:50.690
knee I’ve always been meaning to ask oh

0:23:48.680,0:23:53.180
my goodness it’s sort of embarrassing I

0:23:50.690,0:23:56.360
want to know I was i dropped from a

0:23:53.180,0:23:58.310
helicopter on the Alps no web skis no I

0:23:56.360,0:24:01.100
was at the Sanderson centre here in

0:23:58.310,0:24:02.720
Brantford my daughter was dancing with

0:24:01.100,0:24:04.790
Mickey’s dance connection and it was a

0:24:02.720,0:24:06.800
year in recital for all our daughters

0:24:04.790,0:24:08.990
and our kids and the dads of course

0:24:06.800,0:24:10.490
can’t get backstage and do anything with

0:24:08.990,0:24:13.670
the daughters so we used to watch and we

0:24:10.490,0:24:15.380
decided one night we should dance so I

0:24:13.670,0:24:20.900
know a lot of dads do it but I bet you

0:24:15.380,0:24:26.530
we invented it so this was back in 1970

0:24:20.900,0:24:29.740
I know 1960 something 60 No

0:24:26.530,0:24:33.010
the 1990 it’s a 90s it was 96

0:24:29.740,0:24:35.679
so 1996 at the Sanderson Center we

0:24:33.010,0:24:38.260
decided that we were do a dance now

0:24:35.679,0:24:40.600
Mickey caramely who was the the teacher

0:24:38.260,0:24:42.370
at the time didn’t know and I knew some

0:24:40.600,0:24:45.070
of the guys backstage at the Sanderson

0:24:42.370,0:24:46.929
Center he says at this time turn off the

0:24:45.070,0:24:48.220
lights close the curtains until the

0:24:46.929,0:24:49.870
teacher in the audience we’re having

0:24:48.220,0:24:51.580
technical difficulties we’ll be right

0:24:49.870,0:24:53.409
back so they all stopped and that was

0:24:51.580,0:24:55.750
our cue to come out and we played hey

0:24:53.409,0:24:58.390
Mickey you blow my mind well little did

0:24:55.750,0:25:01.030
I know it was hey Mickey blow my knee

0:24:58.390,0:25:03.100
and so I came out with a bunch of dad’s

0:25:01.030,0:25:05.710
her in tutus and we’re doing this little

0:25:03.100,0:25:09.250
dance and we were all running up to the

0:25:05.710,0:25:10.840
front through these pom poms that I got

0:25:09.250,0:25:12.669
from all the high schools in that time

0:25:10.840,0:25:14.440
cheerleading wasn’t popular started to

0:25:12.669,0:25:15.880
go to every high school if I’m a pom pom

0:25:14.440,0:25:17.140
so we were doing pom poms and all you

0:25:15.880,0:25:19.809
had to do is run through the pom poms

0:25:17.140,0:25:21.520
like a football player and do a pose and

0:25:19.809,0:25:23.260
I remember my daughter was pretty good

0:25:21.520,0:25:25.270
back then she could do a Russian jump

0:25:23.260,0:25:25.870
and so as I’m running I thought of it at

0:25:25.270,0:25:27.760
that point

0:25:25.870,0:25:29.200
I’m they’ll do a Russian jump and that’s

0:25:27.760,0:25:30.820
how I hurt myself because I don’t know

0:25:29.200,0:25:34.059
how to do a Russian jump I came down on

0:25:30.820,0:25:36.340
all my weight on my right knee and you

0:25:34.059,0:25:38.169
know your knee bends when my knee now

0:25:36.340,0:25:40.390
bends the other way and you heard this

0:25:38.169,0:25:42.220
big pop and yeah I know you’ve watched

0:25:40.390,0:25:44.890
cartoons where you see the stars going

0:25:42.220,0:25:47.260
around yeah that really happens so I

0:25:44.890,0:25:49.600
really hurt myself and nobody knew it no

0:25:47.260,0:25:51.970
and I got up and I must have been the

0:25:49.600,0:25:54.610
pain I fainted and one of the dads

0:25:51.970,0:25:56.140
picked me up and he marched me off and I

0:25:54.610,0:25:57.100
believe they told me I got a standing

0:25:56.140,0:25:59.080
ovation they thought that was the

0:25:57.100,0:26:01.450
funniest pratfall they all ever saw and

0:25:59.080,0:26:04.350
then I found out I thought I just

0:26:01.450,0:26:07.330
sprained my knee but I found I

0:26:04.350,0:26:09.580
disintegrated the main ACL ligament I

0:26:07.330,0:26:11.140
ripped some muscle apart and wrecked it

0:26:09.580,0:26:13.299
and there’s some other problem and miss

0:26:11.140,0:26:16.630
cos problems there was a doctor Whateley

0:26:13.299,0:26:18.640
who did the sort of scope which was new

0:26:16.630,0:26:20.440
at the time and I know he did in the

0:26:18.640,0:26:22.960
morning and then in the afternoon he

0:26:20.440,0:26:24.370
came and saw me and then he recognized

0:26:22.960,0:26:26.620
me because I had been doing a lot of

0:26:24.370,0:26:28.360
stilt walking with the candidate day

0:26:26.620,0:26:31.000
parades and what no you had already been

0:26:28.360,0:26:32.169
still walking at this yes no I was the

0:26:31.000,0:26:34.600
next day I was supposed to be a part

0:26:32.169,0:26:36.760
Colburn after I’d the accident this was

0:26:34.600,0:26:38.850
sometime after he recognizes you’re Doug

0:26:36.760,0:26:41.610
too great you are one

0:26:38.850,0:26:43.830
you can do these high kicks and stuff we

0:26:41.610,0:26:45.870
just love you and then he so I got to

0:26:43.830,0:26:49.500
put on my doctors face now and he said

0:26:45.870,0:26:52.260
oh we got to change your name I says

0:26:49.500,0:26:53.400
what what well youyou can’t be Doug

0:26:52.260,0:26:56.610
degree anymore you’re just gonna have to

0:26:53.400,0:26:58.200
settle with Doug and I said what

0:26:56.610,0:27:00.510
happened so he told me the worst news

0:26:58.200,0:27:02.220
he’s just gosh you have no ACL you’re

0:27:00.510,0:27:03.990
missing so I had the we got to go in

0:27:02.220,0:27:05.540
again and we got to remove muscle from

0:27:03.990,0:27:07.590
your joint that’s why you can’t change

0:27:05.540,0:27:09.660
straighten up your knee you really did a

0:27:07.590,0:27:12.390
number and I’m thinking you had trouble

0:27:09.660,0:27:13.770
with your knee that was it was like a

0:27:12.390,0:27:15.630
time bomb there’s something that was

0:27:13.770,0:27:18.870
going to go and then you really did it

0:27:15.630,0:27:22.740
and we can talk about operations and so

0:27:18.870,0:27:25.050
that led me on to the that’s another

0:27:22.740,0:27:27.330
story going back to participation

0:27:25.050,0:27:29.309
support services participation house at

0:27:27.330,0:27:31.380
the time about two weeks later after

0:27:29.309,0:27:33.360
that I was so depressed and angry

0:27:31.380,0:27:35.130
because he more or less said you’re

0:27:33.360,0:27:36.630
never gonna be tall again in your life

0:27:35.130,0:27:38.190
you know be five you might as well just

0:27:36.630,0:27:41.490
be a birthday let alone the record

0:27:38.190,0:27:42.720
holder yes you’re done and so well I

0:27:41.490,0:27:44.040
didn’t know about the record at that

0:27:42.720,0:27:46.110
time but I remember going to work

0:27:44.040,0:27:47.429
thinking geez I spent all this money on

0:27:46.110,0:27:49.470
these stilts from and they’re from

0:27:47.429,0:27:52.800
Orlando Florida or they use at Disney

0:27:49.470,0:27:56.340
and all these outfits and you know back

0:27:52.800,0:27:58.410
then whenever you mentioned stilts

0:27:56.340,0:28:00.360
through though not just in this area my

0:27:58.410,0:28:02.309
name would come up because I had come up

0:28:00.360,0:28:03.570
with different characters I worked for

0:28:02.309,0:28:08.130
the Toronto Blue Jays when they were

0:28:03.570,0:28:10.140
good so I’ve worked with the Maple Leafs

0:28:08.130,0:28:12.300
I’ve worked at casinos I’ve done all

0:28:10.140,0:28:14.760
these big jobs it wasn’t so much the

0:28:12.300,0:28:19.770
money it was just the opportunity to

0:28:14.760,0:28:21.870
work in some of these the Rogers Center

0:28:19.770,0:28:23.940
I’ll need this dome at the time

0:28:21.870,0:28:26.370
yeah sky dome actually let me back up

0:28:23.940,0:28:28.320
because sorry no no no no no no good

0:28:26.370,0:28:30.809
because I know that I know the story and

0:28:28.320,0:28:33.929
I want to make sure I cover it the

0:28:30.809,0:28:35.550
reason you decide to still walk was to

0:28:33.929,0:28:37.920
stand out from the crowd if I remember

0:28:35.550,0:28:39.960
correctly exactly being only five foot

0:28:37.920,0:28:42.480
five I was doing quite well juggling I

0:28:39.960,0:28:44.970
was working in Toronto at Queen’s Park I

0:28:42.480,0:28:47.940
think it was Canada a day and I had a

0:28:44.970,0:28:49.860
small little crowd I was doing balancing

0:28:47.940,0:28:51.990
stuff on my chin in that and then this

0:28:49.860,0:28:55.020
lady walked by and she had a

0:28:51.990,0:28:57.120
huge crowd but she was on stilts and I

0:28:55.020,0:28:59.309
thought oh my goodness and I know it’s

0:28:57.120,0:29:01.590
um Madame Butterfly who’s still

0:28:59.309,0:29:03.210
performing today Kristy Heath who’s

0:29:01.590,0:29:05.010
become a really good friend her actually

0:29:03.210,0:29:08.580
her son’s go to one of her son’s go to

0:29:05.010,0:29:11.550
university here in town so I thought

0:29:08.580,0:29:13.980
that’s it that’s how you get up on stage

0:29:11.550,0:29:16.230
because I wasn’t a stage performer but

0:29:13.980,0:29:17.820
that gives you that’s how I you are your

0:29:16.230,0:29:20.550
stage yeah and I thought I’d be doing

0:29:17.820,0:29:22.140
magic on stilts but I found that the

0:29:20.550,0:29:23.460
better thing is most of the people at

0:29:22.140,0:29:27.050
that time there wasn’t a lot of stilt

0:29:23.460,0:29:28.500
walkers around we’re dressing up like a

0:29:27.050,0:29:31.320
ringmaster

0:29:28.500,0:29:33.480
clown and they thought but the what

0:29:31.320,0:29:35.670
worked for me was figuring out what the

0:29:33.480,0:29:37.679
theme is at the Metro Convention Center

0:29:35.670,0:29:40.350
and dressing in the theme and it was a

0:29:37.679,0:29:41.910
sure thing and it is today still I’ve

0:29:40.350,0:29:43.350
seen the website and I’ve seen some of

0:29:41.910,0:29:44.610
the variations and the photos and I’ve

0:29:43.350,0:29:47.550
seen in the time I’ve known you the

0:29:44.610,0:29:49.679
variations rhyme off a list of all the

0:29:47.550,0:29:53.190
various characters that oh I’ve got a

0:29:49.679,0:29:55.230
and every one has its own music because

0:29:53.190,0:29:57.510
of the influence Disney I’ve been down

0:29:55.230,0:29:59.370
there so many times I’ve had on me the

0:29:57.510,0:30:03.090
theming of it and so you got to create

0:29:59.370,0:30:04.770
the all the senses so I’ve got a cowboy

0:30:03.090,0:30:06.929
and it’s got like a cowboy music

0:30:04.770,0:30:08.100
backpack so I bring my own music and

0:30:06.929,0:30:11.309
with the cowboy I learned how to do

0:30:08.100,0:30:14.220
trick roping I’ve got a toy soldier for

0:30:11.309,0:30:17.370
the winter and again it’s got a key that

0:30:14.220,0:30:19.110
revolves on the backpack and plays babes

0:30:17.370,0:30:21.510
in toyland all those different songs

0:30:19.110,0:30:26.970
I’ve got a scarecrow and banjo music

0:30:21.510,0:30:28.020
I’ve got Oh at the air show I developed

0:30:26.970,0:30:30.960
an airline pilot

0:30:28.020,0:30:34.320
and for the Tall Ships I’ve got a sailor

0:30:30.960,0:30:35.880
and a pirate on stilts a pirate has a

0:30:34.320,0:30:38.730
peg leg but it’s just a wooden spill

0:30:35.880,0:30:40.650
that I don’t cover up that’s awesome so

0:30:38.730,0:30:42.870
yeah you have to because someone’s still

0:30:40.650,0:30:45.000
say anyways yeah no that was genius yeah

0:30:42.870,0:30:47.700
no and I play Pirates of the Caribbean

0:30:45.000,0:30:49.980
music and I have big knives or juggling

0:30:47.700,0:30:52.440
knives for juggling but I look like a

0:30:49.980,0:30:54.390
Cutlass so I juggle knives as a pirate

0:30:52.440,0:30:56.670
which is kind of cool now if I’m not

0:30:54.390,0:30:58.679
mistaken one of your characters don’t

0:30:56.670,0:31:00.660
they also have the hand stilts that go

0:30:58.679,0:31:04.050
with a deal yeah the 4-legged yeah

0:31:00.660,0:31:05.430
that’s the oh man we could go we’re

0:31:04.050,0:31:09.120
going although if I want to finish that

0:31:05.430,0:31:11.010
other story for ya but the Garry ends

0:31:09.120,0:31:12.720
maker who makes my stilts and he’s a

0:31:11.010,0:31:14.510
Bigfoot still company in Florida makes

0:31:12.720,0:31:17.070
them for Disney and Universal Studios

0:31:14.510,0:31:19.080
made me these arm stilts and taught me

0:31:17.070,0:31:21.150
how to use them and I was done trying to

0:31:19.080,0:31:22.620
make an insect or and something else but

0:31:21.150,0:31:24.630
I didn’t have the talent to put that

0:31:22.620,0:31:26.400
stuff together so we used it on my robot

0:31:24.630,0:31:27.840
character so four-legged robot and

0:31:26.400,0:31:30.200
there’s so many other thing and it’s

0:31:27.840,0:31:33.030
actually safer I would think I use them

0:31:30.200,0:31:35.310
creepy – it has pee pee and you can’t

0:31:33.030,0:31:37.050
see my face and a lot of the equipment

0:31:35.310,0:31:40.080
is because I’ve got an interest in

0:31:37.050,0:31:42.060
motorcycle motocross equipment and I

0:31:40.080,0:31:44.430
found an airbrush artist and we we just

0:31:42.060,0:31:46.560
did it right and that’s the thing with

0:31:44.430,0:31:49.260
all my characters it’s not like clownish

0:31:46.560,0:31:51.660
stuff or costume party stuff it’s as

0:31:49.260,0:31:53.250
realistic so it could be on a movie

0:31:51.660,0:31:55.080
that’s possible I find because you’re

0:31:53.250,0:31:57.240
already tall you don’t need to be a

0:31:55.080,0:32:01.110
cartoon at this point but if you can get

0:31:57.240,0:32:04.320
as real fact the Brantford City police

0:32:01.110,0:32:06.150
gave me a uniform for their Police week

0:32:04.320,0:32:08.190
there please stay and so I have an

0:32:06.150,0:32:10.860
actual now you would obviously lengthen

0:32:08.190,0:32:13.140
the legs yeah I have my own pants for

0:32:10.860,0:32:16.170
the things okay you know I got a real

0:32:13.140,0:32:17.400
Blue Jays outfit so when I’m at the some

0:32:16.170,0:32:20.760
of the fairs in Toronto and the Blue

0:32:17.400,0:32:23.150
Jays are doing well it’s a sure thing so

0:32:20.760,0:32:26.370
yeah I got different I got like 65

0:32:23.150,0:32:28.830
different characters I’m trying and I

0:32:26.370,0:32:31.100
keep developing Oh everyone’s yeah the

0:32:28.830,0:32:33.840
idea as you say it’s themed based and

0:32:31.100,0:32:35.640
anybody can just come in and clown

0:32:33.840,0:32:37.970
around it’s another thing to be

0:32:35.640,0:32:41.730
integrated into it like when I think of

0:32:37.970,0:32:43.500
the Canada 150 I visualize you you know

0:32:41.730,0:32:44.970
I hate to say that it’s you know there’s

0:32:43.500,0:32:47.730
you as your flag on the still turret or

0:32:44.970,0:32:50.670
Canada 150 I got my one five outfit you

0:32:47.730,0:32:53.940
know the RCMP works well the funny thing

0:32:50.670,0:32:55.830
about that I did act Ober fest once and

0:32:53.940,0:32:58.350
that’s the one outfit I don’t have with

0:32:55.830,0:33:00.870
the lederhosen a lab and I should get

0:32:58.350,0:33:03.000
but anyways I thought oh my goodness I

0:33:00.870,0:33:06.330
got booked they’re paying me it’s their

0:33:03.000,0:33:08.250
opening day and what am I going to do so

0:33:06.330,0:33:09.480
I ended up I didn’t feel good about

0:33:08.250,0:33:11.520
because I always feel like I need to

0:33:09.480,0:33:13.170
meet the theme so I took the RCMP I’ll

0:33:11.520,0:33:15.240
just represent kit was the best thing

0:33:13.170,0:33:18.290
because everybody there who was

0:33:15.240,0:33:20.930
performing were from Germany

0:33:18.290,0:33:22.550
so and they just get to do Oktoberfest

0:33:20.930,0:33:25.580
they go home they don’t get to see

0:33:22.550,0:33:27.230
Canada so when they saw Canada I was

0:33:25.580,0:33:29.030
count when they seen the RCMP they’re on

0:33:27.230,0:33:31.490
stuff they all wanted their picture with

0:33:29.030,0:33:33.380
me and I was the highlight for the whole

0:33:31.490,0:33:35.000
thing and so I was in every picture as

0:33:33.380,0:33:37.190
if you had just been in lederhosen or

0:33:35.000,0:33:43.370
whatever you were just yeah well they

0:33:37.190,0:33:45.380
don’t take a picture of a dollar – yeah

0:33:43.370,0:33:46.670
so if you can meet that I found if

0:33:45.380,0:33:48.320
you’re meeting the theme so a lot of the

0:33:46.670,0:33:51.230
conventions and that when they usually

0:33:48.320,0:33:52.850
have a theme these corporate parties in

0:33:51.230,0:33:54.740
that that’s usually a conference and

0:33:52.850,0:33:57.380
it’s the beginning or the end they’re

0:33:54.740,0:33:59.750
having a party and they only they use me

0:33:57.380,0:34:01.400
at the opening at the front coming in so

0:33:59.750,0:34:03.740
it’s to give them that wow factor and

0:34:01.400,0:34:05.300
with me then I’m there for half an hour

0:34:03.740,0:34:07.160
two hour whatever it takes usually

0:34:05.300,0:34:08.929
there’s a Dixie Lee band or whatever the

0:34:07.160,0:34:10.690
theme is and then I get off the stilts

0:34:08.929,0:34:13.100
and then I’m walking around doing magic

0:34:10.690,0:34:15.350
which people don’t know this it’s

0:34:13.100,0:34:17.240
exciting for me because in Toronto we

0:34:15.350,0:34:17.870
have some of the best magicians in the

0:34:17.240,0:34:20.330
world

0:34:17.870,0:34:21.889
so I rub shoulders with some of the best

0:34:20.330,0:34:23.450
magicians in the world and try to hold

0:34:21.889,0:34:25.250
my own with them but I’m in because

0:34:23.450,0:34:26.780
they’ll walk on stilts right so I’m

0:34:25.250,0:34:28.850
right in there and learned from them so

0:34:26.780,0:34:30.530
that’s the fun well going going back to

0:34:28.850,0:34:32.300
the original reason as to why you got

0:34:30.530,0:34:35.000
into the stilts was to stand out and

0:34:32.300,0:34:36.440
have a unique value you know you

0:34:35.000,0:34:37.700
mentioned the participation in the house

0:34:36.440,0:34:39.980
that you wanted to recap and then we’ll

0:34:37.700,0:34:42.980
go world record that’s so important to

0:34:39.980,0:34:44.780
my story with the the students is that I

0:34:42.980,0:34:47.629
was so depressed I remember the first

0:34:44.780,0:34:49.520
day going back to work we had two

0:34:47.629,0:34:52.190
residents coming down the hallway in

0:34:49.520,0:34:54.909
their motorized wheelchairs they’re very

0:34:52.190,0:34:56.990
expensive and I’m the fundraiser and

0:34:54.909,0:34:59.180
they didn’t see me at first but what

0:34:56.990,0:35:01.250
they do sometimes is they shut their

0:34:59.180,0:35:02.900
eyes and go after each other as fast as

0:35:01.250,0:35:05.660
possible and the first one to open their

0:35:02.900,0:35:07.610
eyes is the loser and the other one has

0:35:05.660,0:35:09.740
bragging rights right and so they’re

0:35:07.610,0:35:12.530
playing chicken oh yeah and I that was

0:35:09.740,0:35:15.620
the time I came in and the two guys Dave

0:35:12.530,0:35:16.760
and Paul were doing this and and they

0:35:15.620,0:35:18.190
were laughing and having a great time

0:35:16.760,0:35:20.360
because that’s who they are

0:35:18.190,0:35:22.100
great attitude talk about attitude

0:35:20.360,0:35:23.750
living a challenge every day not the

0:35:22.100,0:35:24.920
ones we’ve built for ourselves sometime

0:35:23.750,0:35:26.180
to help others but they were living the

0:35:24.920,0:35:27.680
challenge every day having a great time

0:35:26.180,0:35:29.270
until he saw me and they could see

0:35:27.680,0:35:31.010
because I’ve been there twenty years

0:35:29.270,0:35:31.640
they’d never seen me like this

0:35:31.010,0:35:33.710
the

0:35:31.640,0:35:35.390
never seen me on crutches and challenged

0:35:33.710,0:35:37.070
myself and they’re feeling sorry for me

0:35:35.390,0:35:39.260
I think cuz see what happened is they

0:35:37.070,0:35:40.700
just stopped smiling stop laughing and

0:35:39.260,0:35:42.020
just drifted away and when I got to my

0:35:40.700,0:35:42.560
office it hit me like a bolt of

0:35:42.020,0:35:46.790
lightning

0:35:42.560,0:35:48.680
so my god this morning I got up I had my

0:35:46.790,0:35:50.810
own shower I fed myself and I could

0:35:48.680,0:35:53.120
drive and I have a job these guys can’t

0:35:50.810,0:35:55.730
do any of that and yet when they took

0:35:53.120,0:35:59.240
looked at me there’s they’re saying to

0:35:55.730,0:36:01.370
myself oh poor Doug he hurt his knee and

0:35:59.240,0:36:03.170
it hit me like a bowl of lightness off

0:36:01.370,0:36:05.300
so ashamed of myself and that’s how I

0:36:03.170,0:36:06.920
went and got a 40 member team to go

0:36:05.300,0:36:08.120
after the Guinness record I met my

0:36:06.920,0:36:09.710
physio Tom Rollins

0:36:08.120,0:36:11.450
we went to Paris high school together

0:36:09.710,0:36:15.500
and he was working on my knee again we

0:36:11.450,0:36:17.180
got the an orthopedic guy don’t the

0:36:15.500,0:36:19.670
Peaks used to be in rehab and now had

0:36:17.180,0:36:22.370
you hurt your leg at this point yeah I’d

0:36:19.670,0:36:24.680
hurt and I’d been away two weeks I’ve

0:36:22.370,0:36:28.880
been to the physio and then I was on my

0:36:24.680,0:36:30.800
feet with crutches and although I wasn’t

0:36:28.880,0:36:34.190
walking on stilts I thought that career

0:36:30.800,0:36:36.380
was over I still had my job and yet just

0:36:34.190,0:36:38.870
a bad knee and here we have people that

0:36:36.380,0:36:41.060
were born with cerebral palsy no fault

0:36:38.870,0:36:43.220
of their own living a life of challenges

0:36:41.060,0:36:44.480
feeling sorry for me and that’s what

0:36:43.220,0:36:46.220
turned me around and that’s how we

0:36:44.480,0:36:48.620
started going after the Guinness world

0:36:46.220,0:36:49.940
record because my physio and I decided

0:36:48.620,0:36:51.500
okay we got to turn this around make it

0:36:49.940,0:36:52.970
a fundraiser and let’s get back on

0:36:51.500,0:36:54.710
stilts and the best way to get back on

0:36:52.970,0:36:57.230
stilts is go on the world’s tallest one

0:36:54.710,0:36:58.910
might as well right right and so that

0:36:57.230,0:36:59.870
led us on the journey towards that

0:36:58.910,0:37:01.940
record

0:36:59.870,0:37:04.070
we tried there’s a few people I wanted

0:37:01.940,0:37:06.230
on the team most of them were

0:37:04.070,0:37:08.330
enthusiastic and they energized their

0:37:06.230,0:37:09.710
whole team they knew how to fail for it

0:37:08.330,0:37:11.420
because we failed many times but a few

0:37:09.710,0:37:12.620
of them thought I was an idiot and I

0:37:11.420,0:37:13.880
tell the students those guys that

0:37:12.620,0:37:16.130
thought I was in it I thought you’re

0:37:13.880,0:37:19.490
only 5 foot 5 you’re old old at that

0:37:16.130,0:37:21.980
time in my 40 and injured and injured

0:37:19.490,0:37:23.810
young no ACL what are you thinking

0:37:21.980,0:37:25.910
you’re an idiot well I tell the kids uh

0:37:23.810,0:37:27.830
those people didn’t get on the team and

0:37:25.910,0:37:29.900
didn’t break the record so that was that

0:37:27.830,0:37:31.700
was my point on that I’ve learned a long

0:37:29.900,0:37:33.410
time ago that that when you’re doing

0:37:31.700,0:37:35.630
something outrageous like that you got

0:37:33.410,0:37:38.210
to believe it you know it had the belief

0:37:35.630,0:37:40.010
as half of it and you know even if the

0:37:38.210,0:37:42.500
truth is you’ll fail you got to believe

0:37:40.010,0:37:44.910
well we did know and if we hadn’t failed

0:37:42.500,0:37:46.590
a guy by the name of David then Alice

0:37:44.910,0:37:49.020
who’s watching us as a friend of Bob

0:37:46.590,0:37:50.820
Phil sukoon engineering was asking Bob

0:37:49.020,0:37:51.960
why are you using aluminum because

0:37:50.820,0:37:53.580
that’s the only thing they could get

0:37:51.960,0:37:58.020
donated he says you need carbon fiber

0:37:53.580,0:37:59.790
some yes 11,000 bucks so after one of my

0:37:58.020,0:38:01.670
failed attempts at the Civic Center I

0:37:59.790,0:38:04.200
think it was a one to five

0:38:01.670,0:38:06.390
sesquicentennial for Brantford at the

0:38:04.200,0:38:08.550
Civic Center I got down and Dave says

0:38:06.390,0:38:10.020
here’s my registration to be on your

0:38:08.550,0:38:12.170
team and he gave me eleven thousand

0:38:10.020,0:38:14.730
dollar check to get the carbon fiber and

0:38:12.170,0:38:16.950
so it’s it’s that kind of story so if we

0:38:14.730,0:38:19.230
hadn’t been failing and we hadn’t been

0:38:16.950,0:38:21.360
trying like I said earlier you don’t

0:38:19.230,0:38:24.150
count yourself out before you even try

0:38:21.360,0:38:26.700
we wouldn’t have got where we did and so

0:38:24.150,0:38:29.820
my might the whole thing is you’re a

0:38:26.700,0:38:32.070
winner when you try I mean the the end

0:38:29.820,0:38:34.050
result you’ll get the record and when I

0:38:32.070,0:38:35.550
was interviewed they saw you’re a big

0:38:34.050,0:38:37.650
failure when I failed a couple of times

0:38:35.550,0:38:38.940
see kco TV so oh you’re a big feller

0:38:37.650,0:38:41.760
what you have to say for yourself oh no

0:38:38.940,0:38:43.260
we made $30,000 that day as a fund

0:38:41.760,0:38:44.850
raiser we had more people show up and

0:38:43.260,0:38:47.370
more aware of participation outside they

0:38:44.850,0:38:49.470
I don’t think we’re a failure I think

0:38:47.370,0:38:50.700
we’re a winner in fact as far as over

0:38:49.470,0:38:51.750
what you’re talking about the Guinness

0:38:50.700,0:38:53.880
record

0:38:51.750,0:38:55.860
we’re don’t try again so we’re not done

0:38:53.880,0:38:59.490
and I didn’t say we were done yeah so

0:38:55.860,0:39:01.110
then you know and I tell kids if at the

0:38:59.490,0:39:02.850
high schools if I hadn’t got the record

0:39:01.110,0:39:04.350
when I did and I didn’t have it I’d be

0:39:02.850,0:39:08.250
telling you I’m working on this Guinness

0:39:04.350,0:39:10.620
world record I’m gonna get that well has

0:39:08.250,0:39:12.630
anybody challenged it since yeah many

0:39:10.620,0:39:15.120
people have and say they have it and

0:39:12.630,0:39:17.070
they get it on the first try but if you

0:39:15.120,0:39:19.230
look at how they did it and you look at

0:39:17.070,0:39:20.910
their pictures or their video you’ll see

0:39:19.230,0:39:21.870
that they have an overhead line so I

0:39:20.910,0:39:24.060
call them the world’s tallest

0:39:21.870,0:39:26.820
marionettes because they haven’t figured

0:39:24.060,0:39:28.440
out how we did it yes and they thought

0:39:26.820,0:39:30.840
that’s the only way to do it was to

0:39:28.440,0:39:32.220
reduce a bit of the gravity of you yeah

0:39:30.840,0:39:35.390
they’re pulling them up and like peeling

0:39:32.220,0:39:37.920
and so we you know at this point yeah

0:39:35.390,0:39:40.140
that’s another record I guess so we did

0:39:37.920,0:39:41.790
it we did have safety cuz Guinness won’t

0:39:40.140,0:39:43.470
recognize you if you kill yourself yeah

0:39:41.790,0:39:44.820
well you had a cable on each side but

0:39:43.470,0:39:46.470
originally when you were practicing

0:39:44.820,0:39:48.000
because we didn’t mention it well you

0:39:46.470,0:39:50.220
were doing it in a silo if I write

0:39:48.000,0:39:52.800
something I just walked me through the

0:39:50.220,0:39:56.070
setup oh well we had failed a couple of

0:39:52.800,0:39:58.299
times at the Civic Center and me so Zig

0:39:56.070,0:39:59.979
Ziglar he passed away a few

0:39:58.299,0:40:01.390
to go he used to say if you keep trying

0:39:59.979,0:40:02.469
the same thing you’ll get the same

0:40:01.390,0:40:03.969
results so we had to figure out

0:40:02.469,0:40:05.559
something else we went to Tom paid at

0:40:03.969,0:40:08.049
Brentwood farm say we need your 80-foot

0:40:05.559,0:40:09.189
silo the practice and he said well take

0:40:08.049,0:40:09.579
it away but bring it back when you’re

0:40:09.189,0:40:12.309
done

0:40:09.579,0:40:14.319
but we got a concrete floor in there we

0:40:12.309,0:40:16.359
put up scaffolding we had the team of 40

0:40:14.319,0:40:18.219
people I couldn’t remember all their

0:40:16.359,0:40:20.259
names or I mean I do but take us all

0:40:18.219,0:40:21.969
dating and talking but anyways I hear

0:40:20.259,0:40:24.249
they know who they are we’ll have a

0:40:21.969,0:40:25.599
reunion one day we put all the

0:40:24.249,0:40:29.170
scaffolding in there and we went up

0:40:25.599,0:40:31.719
there and we we put two lines the safety

0:40:29.170,0:40:34.420
twenty feet two lines to hold on to and

0:40:31.719,0:40:38.170
we actually broke the record in there at

0:40:34.420,0:40:40.179
fifty feet five inches back in 98 it was

0:40:38.170,0:40:42.009
recorded with Guinness and then the guy

0:40:40.179,0:40:43.959
that had the record before me his name

0:40:42.009,0:40:46.689
was steady Eddie wolf from Wisconsin

0:40:43.959,0:40:49.150
said well that’s an indoor record and so

0:40:46.689,0:40:51.640
he appealed it so that’s why we after

0:40:49.150,0:40:54.309
that we did it outside but there was two

0:40:51.640,0:40:56.829
reasons we did it at the tourism Center

0:40:54.309,0:40:58.749
the two big reasons one is when we did

0:40:56.829,0:41:00.160
it in the silo we had a lot of

0:40:58.749,0:41:01.929
supporters that couldn’t get in there

0:41:00.160,0:41:04.689
because the silos only so big we just

0:41:01.929,0:41:05.949
got our team in there we had chris friel

0:41:04.689,0:41:08.949
who was the mayor at the time to verify

0:41:05.949,0:41:09.640
it and we had we had another stilt

0:41:08.949,0:41:11.349
walker there

0:41:09.640,0:41:12.699
Arlene Thomas who was a stilt walker to

0:41:11.349,0:41:14.380
verify it that’s what Guiness Guiness to

0:41:12.699,0:41:16.179
send people but it cost you thousands of

0:41:14.380,0:41:17.679
dollars and our idea is not it’s not

0:41:16.179,0:41:21.429
spending money we’ll do what the other

0:41:17.679,0:41:23.859
way so we needed to do it outside and

0:41:21.429,0:41:26.679
when the tourism Center you’ll read I

0:41:23.859,0:41:28.029
don’t know if this was before me but the

0:41:26.679,0:41:29.829
tourism Center had just been built

0:41:28.029,0:41:32.140
there’s a lot of controversy around that

0:41:29.829,0:41:33.910
as you remember and lot of negative

0:41:32.140,0:41:37.539
things and at the time the hill to this

0:41:33.910,0:41:40.900
day yes the late susan singer was susan

0:41:37.539,0:41:42.489
yeah okay you remember Susan Susan she

0:41:40.900,0:41:44.469
was having a rough time this is Susan

0:41:42.489,0:41:46.900
let’s work together on this let’s make

0:41:44.469,0:41:48.219
this positive and one of the problems is

0:41:46.900,0:41:50.469
people said though we won’t know where

0:41:48.219,0:41:52.900
it is I says what if he had me up on the

0:41:50.469,0:41:54.640
50 foot poles waving at the highway so

0:41:52.900,0:41:57.969
that’s how that started and Dave Levac

0:41:54.640,0:42:00.459
was a big supporter at the time and the

0:41:57.969,0:42:03.219
mayor and a few other people so at the

0:42:00.459,0:42:06.489
opening of the tourism Center we made

0:42:03.219,0:42:09.549
that part of the the activities and use

0:42:06.489,0:42:11.450
Jordans oak was there jumping over

0:42:09.549,0:42:13.340
Volkswagens and stuff

0:42:11.450,0:42:17.300
and I don’t know if the people knew that

0:42:13.340,0:42:19.970
but anyways we we did it there for Susan

0:42:17.300,0:42:22.190
and they give a positive support to the

0:42:19.970,0:42:25.280
tourism center it gave us the outdoor

0:42:22.190,0:42:28.130
record we had the television covering it

0:42:25.280,0:42:30.440
and and it was a rainy cold windy day

0:42:28.130,0:42:32.720
and so I didn’t get as many steps but it

0:42:30.440,0:42:36.260
you needed 25 forward unassisted steps

0:42:32.720,0:42:38.420
so we did in front everybody so it was

0:42:36.260,0:42:40.460
done it was done and now those stilts

0:42:38.420,0:42:43.130
are in the tourism building yeah to this

0:42:40.460,0:42:45.200
day plus the two certificates so we have

0:42:43.130,0:42:48.110
the record for the heaviest stilts ever

0:42:45.200,0:42:50.720
mastered and the tallest for there’s

0:42:48.110,0:42:52.280
other records for tallest for 10 steps

0:42:50.720,0:42:53.930
or something we got the 25 so the

0:42:52.280,0:42:56.000
heaviest one was that with the old

0:42:53.930,0:42:57.770
aluminum no no so this is what the

0:42:56.000,0:42:59.810
carbon-fiber so so aluminum I never

0:42:57.770,0:43:00.980
broke they would have been by far they

0:42:59.810,0:43:03.170
have you know it’s cuz they ended up

0:43:00.980,0:43:05.570
weighing 125 pounds each but I couldn’t

0:43:03.170,0:43:06.890
get a step out of those well maybe talk

0:43:05.570,0:43:08.210
to me about that because you told me

0:43:06.890,0:43:09.980
about the frustration of that thing

0:43:08.210,0:43:12.020
where you’re most of us would probably

0:43:09.980,0:43:14.870
fall just standing on this stuff so to

0:43:12.020,0:43:19.370
put it in context you’re 80 feet high

0:43:14.870,0:43:23.750
well 50 feet on these the original ones

0:43:19.370,0:43:25.340
the aluminum they were donated by Hunter

0:43:23.750,0:43:27.440
Steele and put together Oakes and I

0:43:25.340,0:43:29.090
remember the picture the night before my

0:43:27.440,0:43:31.490
wife and I held up the middle part of

0:43:29.090,0:43:33.500
them and the two ends were still

0:43:31.490,0:43:35.570
touching the ground yeah people don’t

0:43:33.500,0:43:38.060
realize how binary they are the bend in

0:43:35.570,0:43:40.190
them in the Bob Phillips will he’s still

0:43:38.060,0:43:41.750
with Kuhn engineering to this day he

0:43:40.190,0:43:45.260
looks like he’s on still she’s like 60

0:43:41.750,0:43:46.310
but he was embarrassing get my picture

0:43:45.260,0:43:47.960
with him because I’m posed to be the

0:43:46.310,0:43:49.070
tallest guy and I didn’t even come up to

0:43:47.960,0:43:52.070
his belly button

0:43:49.070,0:43:53.410
but anyways he was worried and so was

0:43:52.070,0:43:57.800
Paul Creighton with Cooper’s crane

0:43:53.410,0:43:59.900
because there’s no engineering at that

0:43:57.800,0:44:02.180
point for holding a person they’ve done

0:43:59.900,0:44:04.610
like bridging and different things so he

0:44:02.180,0:44:07.280
was concerning how that would would work

0:44:04.610,0:44:09.590
and you’re not necessarily a stable

0:44:07.280,0:44:12.620
element at but know that it was windy

0:44:09.590,0:44:13.910
and fact oh my gosh there was a lot of

0:44:12.620,0:44:15.470
things people don’t know what happened

0:44:13.910,0:44:18.770
behind the scenes even practicing at the

0:44:15.470,0:44:20.540
silo I fainted in there I couldn’t get

0:44:18.770,0:44:23.710
down from the scaffolding because if so

0:44:20.540,0:44:26.950
tried out there’s chemicals in there

0:44:23.710,0:44:27.940
and exhaustion and I got sick and there

0:44:26.950,0:44:29.950
was no way to get down

0:44:27.940,0:44:31.329
did you look from the top down no I

0:44:29.950,0:44:33.579
guess that would have been funny I

0:44:31.329,0:44:35.680
certainly need umbrellas cuz I sweat so

0:44:33.579,0:44:36.940
much I get so angry but there was one

0:44:35.680,0:44:38.500
time I just had to have a little sleep

0:44:36.940,0:44:40.690
up there for an hour before I could find

0:44:38.500,0:44:42.640
out what you just lean lean on something

0:44:40.690,0:44:44.319
about well there was like boards on top

0:44:42.640,0:44:46.300
of the scalpel and I stayed up there

0:44:44.319,0:44:48.069
with Todd pipe who was my safety guy and

0:44:46.300,0:44:49.750
I said okay you can’t climb down down I

0:44:48.069,0:44:51.400
think what he did is he tied me and I

0:44:49.750,0:44:52.930
went down with a rope down but we had a

0:44:51.400,0:44:53.829
lot of challenges one time we were up

0:44:52.930,0:44:56.170
there in a thunderstorm

0:44:53.829,0:44:58.809
happened from nowhere let’s get the heck

0:44:56.170,0:45:00.490
down yeah so yeah a lot of different

0:44:58.809,0:45:01.900
things that happened with that so it

0:45:00.490,0:45:05.079
sort of took part of Erle I have to turn

0:45:01.900,0:45:07.869
down a lot of gigs we we made this I had

0:45:05.079,0:45:09.579
to get up 5:30 every morning go to the

0:45:07.869,0:45:11.470
will at the hospital at the time and

0:45:09.579,0:45:13.420
train with Tom Rollins we had my regular

0:45:11.470,0:45:15.700
stilts we put like weights on them to

0:45:13.420,0:45:17.410
try and lift them we there was a pool in

0:45:15.700,0:45:18.819
town we used stilts with flutter boards

0:45:17.410,0:45:19.839
on it to try and mimic that there’s a

0:45:18.819,0:45:21.309
lot of different things we were

0:45:19.839,0:45:23.740
committed we were Don do this well in

0:45:21.309,0:45:26.589
the early days of your thought you

0:45:23.740,0:45:28.390
probably saw it as a strength over you

0:45:26.589,0:45:29.920
know mass to get started because I

0:45:28.390,0:45:32.309
remember you telling me you’re standing

0:45:29.920,0:45:35.799
there and you go to lift your leg and

0:45:32.309,0:45:37.210
you know well yeah an engineer people

0:45:35.799,0:45:38.589
talk to me okay how did you do that

0:45:37.210,0:45:40.329
because that’s what we don’t want to

0:45:38.589,0:45:42.940
give away the secret too much but I

0:45:40.329,0:45:45.400
could lift well I’ll give aways here but

0:45:42.940,0:45:47.619
I could lift the stilts straight up but

0:45:45.400,0:45:49.990
in order to drive that bottom foot

0:45:47.619,0:45:52.089
forward it was impossible well you’re

0:45:49.990,0:45:55.839
looking at just the leverage of your

0:45:52.089,0:45:57.730
ankle is doing the only pivot yeah there

0:45:55.839,0:46:00.280
there’s no way even when I was holding

0:45:57.730,0:46:02.140
the lines there’s no way and when you

0:46:00.280,0:46:04.510
see these other guys challenging my

0:46:02.140,0:46:06.069
record and they have this overhead line

0:46:04.510,0:46:08.710
and they seem to me making these

0:46:06.069,0:46:11.920
beautiful steps as something’s going

0:46:08.710,0:46:13.839
that not right so we actually got my

0:46:11.920,0:46:16.079
steps on a wobble because when you drive

0:46:13.839,0:46:18.630
those stilts down they wobble and

0:46:16.079,0:46:21.220
between three or four of us we found

0:46:18.630,0:46:23.920
videoing down below and up above what

0:46:21.220,0:46:25.750
was happening hey and it happened when I

0:46:23.920,0:46:27.700
got angry because I Drive the stilts on

0:46:25.750,0:46:30.309
the ground like spoiled little boy

0:46:27.700,0:46:31.780
that’s not happening and then then he

0:46:30.309,0:46:34.030
said well that’s good you got a step in

0:46:31.780,0:46:36.010
what do you mean I got a step in and so

0:46:34.030,0:46:37.640
it was backwards and forwards so you’ll

0:46:36.010,0:46:39.290
find when you wobble that still

0:46:37.640,0:46:41.810
there’s a slow wobble that goes down

0:46:39.290,0:46:44.660
that shaft and the bottom toe I call it

0:46:41.810,0:46:45.770
would not go in the same position that

0:46:44.660,0:46:48.800
you started with

0:46:45.770,0:46:50.600
so then Tom Rollins had a crowbar and he

0:46:48.800,0:46:53.870
would bang it against the scaffolding

0:46:50.600,0:46:55.460
and he found a rhythm that worked and so

0:46:53.870,0:46:57.410
it was like riding a horse on these

0:46:55.460,0:46:59.810
stilts when I am in a crouched position

0:46:57.410,0:47:02.480
if I started falling back I’d stand up

0:46:59.810,0:47:04.490
and when I fell forward I’d sit down and

0:47:02.480,0:47:07.130
then the sideways was easy

0:47:04.490,0:47:08.990
and then I pound the stilts and after

0:47:07.130,0:47:11.300
three months we found we could get some

0:47:08.990,0:47:13.880
forward steps so it took a few months to

0:47:11.300,0:47:16.520
get well this is after the failure where

0:47:13.880,0:47:18.080
you’re basically on display at the Civic

0:47:16.520,0:47:20.930
Center yeah we just said when you do it

0:47:18.080,0:47:22.970
so you had not achieved a step on the

0:47:20.930,0:47:24.320
first prior to the first attempt you

0:47:22.970,0:47:26.120
hadn’t figured it out you just were

0:47:24.320,0:47:27.950
gonna figure it out today no I couldn’t

0:47:26.120,0:47:30.320
well they’re 125 pounds and everything

0:47:27.950,0:47:33.110
they were bending we were we called

0:47:30.320,0:47:34.790
bridging like the Golden Gate Bridge and

0:47:33.110,0:47:38.090
stuff to try to make them sturdy but

0:47:34.790,0:47:40.220
then they were too heavy and Gary in

0:47:38.090,0:47:42.050
Florida thought I needed a harness that

0:47:40.220,0:47:44.120
I was wearing over my shoulder the lift

0:47:42.050,0:47:46.790
and that took my balance totally away so

0:47:44.120,0:47:48.530
the one day we had him over at the silo

0:47:46.790,0:47:50.930
I cut everything off I got frustrated

0:47:48.530,0:47:54.260
I’ll cut this off do still walking like

0:47:50.930,0:47:56.960
I know still walking and and that gave

0:47:54.260,0:47:59.030
us the next step was to make him wobble

0:47:56.960,0:48:01.010
and then the next step was to balance on

0:47:59.030,0:48:02.690
that wobble and it took a lot I was

0:48:01.010,0:48:05.300
younger then but I tell you it was a

0:48:02.690,0:48:07.340
workout no I yeah it was a workout to do

0:48:05.300,0:48:09.230
it and it was frustrating at times when

0:48:07.340,0:48:10.490
we could get some steps that’s what we

0:48:09.230,0:48:11.840
did it were you able to get the steps

0:48:10.490,0:48:13.730
with the aluminum or did you need the

0:48:11.840,0:48:16.160
carbon for that no nothing happened with

0:48:13.730,0:48:17.660
the aluminum so you know it was watching

0:48:16.160,0:48:19.430
he says you know you can’t do with those

0:48:17.660,0:48:21.280
yeah you gotta have the right tools so

0:48:19.430,0:48:23.540
so it wasn’t as much of the lightness of

0:48:21.280,0:48:25.520
the carbon fiber in this case that

0:48:23.540,0:48:27.830
there’s probably other aspects of it in

0:48:25.520,0:48:30.200
terms a bands and all that stuff yeah

0:48:27.830,0:48:32.510
well they were a lot lighter 60 pounds

0:48:30.200,0:48:34.340
in the ER hollow but I and the wobble

0:48:32.510,0:48:36.860
was perfect for what we needed to do and

0:48:34.340,0:48:39.200
we discovered that by chance I guess and

0:48:36.860,0:48:40.610
so well the nice thing with carbon fiber

0:48:39.200,0:48:42.650
and I know this you know from racing I

0:48:40.610,0:48:44.660
what not is there great hitting it one

0:48:42.650,0:48:46.430
way you know and so if that thing’s

0:48:44.660,0:48:48.500
architect it to be an extension of your

0:48:46.430,0:48:50.690
leg and and you can orchestrate that

0:48:48.500,0:48:51.369
whereas aluminum months I don’t know all

0:48:50.690,0:48:53.349
over the place

0:48:51.369,0:48:54.789
it’s not a living metal per se but well

0:48:53.349,0:48:55.720
we ended up with that because we didn’t

0:48:54.789,0:48:59.589
want to spend any money because the

0:48:55.720,0:49:00.970
whole idea at the original idea was yeah

0:48:59.589,0:49:02.529
it was for them so we didn’t want to

0:49:00.970,0:49:04.150
take any of the money that was a

0:49:02.529,0:49:05.380
community we had names all over these

0:49:04.150,0:49:07.180
stilts we had different ways of

0:49:05.380,0:49:08.980
fundraising but it was to go to Paul and

0:49:07.180,0:49:11.589
David that was the whole idea so we had

0:49:08.980,0:49:13.240
to figure out another way and so we had

0:49:11.589,0:49:15.339
to do it through donation so thank God

0:49:13.240,0:49:16.930
for Dave seeing that we’re struggling

0:49:15.339,0:49:20.140
and knowing that the aluminum was no

0:49:16.930,0:49:21.999
good and Bob Phillips had found the

0:49:20.140,0:49:23.289
carbon fiber in Montreal but David

0:49:21.999,0:49:24.940
wouldn’t donate it because they had

0:49:23.289,0:49:26.529
nothing to do with us but a guy in Stony

0:49:24.940,0:49:30.279
Creek makes sailboat masts he had

0:49:26.529,0:49:31.420
catamarans tech composites made that and

0:49:30.279,0:49:33.009
I remember going up there with my

0:49:31.420,0:49:35.049
brother bringing these poles home on his

0:49:33.009,0:49:38.130
truck but anyways that’s that’s the

0:49:35.049,0:49:38.130
story that’s my story

0:49:38.230,0:49:43.059
so all this leads us right back to the

0:49:40.869,0:49:45.220
cause this story for anybody that that

0:49:43.059,0:49:46.509
is listening to it it’s a great story is

0:49:45.220,0:49:51.460
there anything you want to add before we

0:49:46.509,0:49:56.190
call it a wrap no I think you know a lot

0:49:51.460,0:50:00.249
of people think what I do is abnormal

0:49:56.190,0:50:01.839
and however it should be it’s not there

0:50:00.249,0:50:03.430
if you look in the dictionary under

0:50:01.839,0:50:07.749
abnormal you should see in other words

0:50:03.430,0:50:08.769
as exceptional so you know if you’re

0:50:07.749,0:50:10.630
going to be normal

0:50:08.769,0:50:15.069
you’re never going to break a Guinness

0:50:10.630,0:50:21.730
record or get on a podcast way you just

0:50:15.069,0:50:24.670
put my podcast on the same farm because

0:50:21.730,0:50:27.819
you have to do abnormal or exceptional

0:50:24.670,0:50:30.819
things but don’t be abnormal like

0:50:27.819,0:50:32.410
Charlie Sheen was for a while you know

0:50:30.819,0:50:33.849
what I’m saying you need to be when

0:50:32.410,0:50:35.380
you’re helping others you can be

0:50:33.849,0:50:39.099
abnormal to help others that’s what

0:50:35.380,0:50:41.349
makes you exceptional so we made $75,000

0:50:39.099,0:50:43.269
being abnormal that’s a good thing it

0:50:41.349,0:50:46.269
got a lot of press and got a lot of

0:50:43.269,0:50:49.779
awareness we called it the still the

0:50:46.269,0:50:52.029
world records stilt attempt team not in

0:50:49.779,0:50:54.819
support of Doug it was in support of

0:50:52.029,0:50:57.940
participation House PSS now and so

0:50:54.819,0:50:58.809
anything you do when you help others you

0:50:57.940,0:51:00.819
help yourself

0:50:58.809,0:51:03.339
look at me I’m still on stilts I was in

0:51:00.819,0:51:05.260
the last Santa Claus Parade here in

0:51:03.339,0:51:06.910
Brantford 62 I’m

0:51:05.260,0:51:09.970
still hopping around still doing well

0:51:06.910,0:51:11.380
and it all happened because I wanted to

0:51:09.970,0:51:13.090
help others but you know and helping

0:51:11.380,0:51:15.040
others I really did help myself

0:51:13.090,0:51:16.540
well you said it right at the beginning

0:51:15.040,0:51:18.700
when we were talking about where your

0:51:16.540,0:51:23.950
job is every day you know you’ve been

0:51:18.700,0:51:25.900
surrounded by a certain vibe for lack of

0:51:23.950,0:51:28.180
better term your entire life and it just

0:51:25.900,0:51:29.290
plays off of each other and I think it

0:51:28.180,0:51:31.150
just makes you better and better and

0:51:29.290,0:51:33.010
better like it’s a feedback loop I guess

0:51:31.150,0:51:34.840
disorder but it’s a good feedback loop

0:51:33.010,0:51:37.120
where’s to your point when you were at

0:51:34.840,0:51:40.390
your lowest you were surrounded by

0:51:37.120,0:51:41.890
people that in your in reality in some

0:51:40.390,0:51:43.750
cases have a much harder to life than us

0:51:41.890,0:51:45.790
and we’re like as you say like when I

0:51:43.750,0:51:47.320
interviewed Walter you know that is the

0:51:45.790,0:51:48.880
biggest thing from that one was

0:51:47.320,0:51:51.550
acknowledging the fact that he was the

0:51:48.880,0:51:55.000
Grateful one not the great one okay yeah

0:51:51.550,0:51:57.340
come on yeah without that accident

0:51:55.000,0:51:58.930
without that that life-altering story

0:51:57.340,0:52:00.460
you know now he’s fallen asleep in my

0:51:58.930,0:52:01.960
car so that’s I’ve heard the stories

0:52:00.460,0:52:04.420
over and over again but you know

0:52:01.960,0:52:06.190
relearning how to shower having a list

0:52:04.420,0:52:07.900
in your shower versus a list beside your

0:52:06.190,0:52:10.840
bed and it’ll step through everything

0:52:07.900,0:52:13.030
starting from beginning I never knew

0:52:10.840,0:52:15.340
Walter prior to that I’ve always known

0:52:13.030,0:52:17.290
Walter the current Walter right you know

0:52:15.340,0:52:19.260
obviously it’s a bit worse now with the

0:52:17.290,0:52:20.470
health and all but you know that the

0:52:19.260,0:52:23.470
post-incident

0:52:20.470,0:52:25.710
writer it made him who he is now more so

0:52:23.470,0:52:28.480
than ever I think he’s just everyday

0:52:25.710,0:52:30.370
grateful and I think it’s part of that

0:52:28.480,0:52:32.560
feedback loop he goes then takes that

0:52:30.370,0:52:34.120
goes into the community whether or not

0:52:32.560,0:52:36.820
it’s at the McDonald’s for his share

0:52:34.120,0:52:38.350
yeah every flop tax if that’s still the

0:52:36.820,0:52:41.170
case or whatever it is but the list goes

0:52:38.350,0:52:44.110
on yeah it plays into it and I think you

0:52:41.170,0:52:46.270
would not be who you are now as you say

0:52:44.110,0:52:48.520
if it was not for your sister if it was

0:52:46.270,0:52:51.220
not for your day to day job if it was

0:52:48.520,0:52:52.750
not for your love of community and I’ll

0:52:51.220,0:52:54.390
put in a plug if it was not for your

0:52:52.750,0:53:13.469
wife

0:52:54.390,0:53:13.469
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